This thread never stood a chance at being anything but a shit show.Hell of a shit show
This thread never stood a chance at being anything but a shit show.Hell of a shit show
This thread never stood a chance at being anything but a shit show.
I do not know why they keep mentioning about me selling as I have not sold a gun in 5 years and that was to help upgrade a youth gun for a full size since kids do get bigger later in life.
Take this without emotion. In today's electronic universe, it does not matter what you have or have not done legally. What matters is the fact that the government can squash you like a bug with their unlimited resources. You may be able to beat the rap eventually, but in doing so, you will be bankrupted, you will loose your job, your family will be drug through the mud. Truth and reality, does not matter - what matters is the lies the alphabet agencies hold over you. 1984 was a chump world compared to where we are headed.Like I said I have not violated no laws.
Yes I create my own bill of sale and have one copy for the other buyer and one for me and I store it.
Hell of a shit show
CoolThis day and age a fed will look at this sentence, zero in on the double negative, and take it as an admission of guilt for whatever offense they can invent.
Take this without emotion. In today's electronic universe, it does not matter what you have or have not done legally. What matters is the fact that the government can squash you like a bug with their unlimited resources. You may be able to beat the rap eventually, but in doing so, you will be bankrupted, you will loose your job, your family will be drug through the mud. Truth and reality, does not matter - what matters is the lies the alphabet agencies hold over you. 1984 was a chump world compared to where we are headed.Oaky
Never once straw purchased and thanks for your experience with 4H but I am not concerned with IRS or ATF.Generally speaking, buyers do not require a bill of sale as a condition of sale, which is what led to some confusion.
ATF usually looks at sellers and uses BOS’ as evidence of dealing in firearms. It would be unusual for them to look at a buyer for dealing; that’s usually straw purchases. The thing is, Federal courts have found no profit has to be made in a transfer and as few as two transfers can result in a conviction for dealing.
All that is in the pamphlet I linked up thread, for educational purposes.
While I don’t know you personally, I follow your threads specifically because of the youth work you do. My son was a 4H shooting sports kid and I appreciate the work that goes into that. I also understand how that can be turned into a business. And there’s one thing I’ve found consistent among federal agencies that regulate activities that can both be hobbies and commercial operations and it’s that federal agencies can accuse you of whatever they want. You have to be able to defend your actions to their standard and the government, be it local, state, or federal, has unlimited pocketbooks and time.
That’s not opinion, that’s fact. It’s also fact that written records are discoverable as evidence. You shoulder all the risk on that. As long as you’re comfortable with that, keep doing what you’re doing.
Neither was John Shipley.Never once straw purchased and thanks for your experience with 4H but I am not concerned with IRS or ATF.
OkayNeither was John Shipley.
I believe you are supposed to check if they are a resident of the same state if selling a handgun, but other than that just use your judgement.
From post 108, directly from the BATFE:No such requirement either federally or at state level.
From post 108, directly from the BATFE:
1) Both the firearm possessor / seller and the individual receiving / buying the firearm must be residents of the same state.
You have a weird way of selling and buying gunsAND both parties must shake hands naked while singing I’m a little tea pot.