True but it can be done in 10-15min so it’s not like they all the time in the world. Granted the tools needed aren’t typically carried by the average person performing a search warrant.
Safe companies giving police access to your personal safe - Liberty Safe - POLL
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True but it can be done in 10-15min so it’s not like they all the time in the world. Granted the tools needed aren’t typically carried by the average person performing a search warrant.
Changing the mechanical combination isn't that difficult with the right tool. I changed all of mine to the same combination.
Converting a keypad style to mechanical is a real PITA and requires you to fabricate some parts in order for it to work.
Converting a keypad style to mechanical is a real PITA and requires you to fabricate some parts in order for it to work.
The warrant needs to specifically list access to that safe (description and including location within the residence). A warrant to enter property is insufficient to access a secured & locked safe. Just my opinion since I'm not a lawyer. Liberty should be sued out of existence if the warrant was lacking in any way. That's hard to do when you're rotting in jail, but maybe claiming the police and Liberty co-conspired to violate your rights would effectively hollow out the prosecutor's "case".
A warrant doesn't require a third party to participate in an investigation. I don't see any legal requirement to help the police in this instance. I also believe it's naive to believe that this guy will ever see that safe, or any of its contents (or even the light of day), ever again.
Regardless, this is more evidence of the erosion of our personal property rights. When a corporation can open your safe, disable your car, or read your mail without permission, do we really own anything anymore?
Regardless, this is more evidence of the erosion of our personal property rights. When a corporation can open your safe, disable your car, or read your mail without permission, do we really own anything anymore?
Yall do know the LE submits thousands of requests for cell phone data, social media data, and in addition to cell phone themselves with warrants? All of those entities give up the required info when faced with a warrant signed by a judge.
How is this situation any different?
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Lonesome Dove
A man of vision but with no mission.
I paid $50 to have mine changed and there is Zero trace of it.
Except for whoever did it.
Lonesome Dove
A man of vision but with no mission.
Old guy about 80 years old came to the house I don't think he was interested. Ended up buying some guns from him.
I don't think anyone is saying it's different, just equally unconstitutional and unethical.
I remember when Apple refused to cooperate with law enforcement to unlock a suspect's iPhone. Never thought I'd see the day when Apple protects your rights more than a US gun safe manufacturer.
Those are warrants with specific search criteria. My understanding is that the Feds did not have one for the safe.
Could they have gotten one, yup.
The point of contention, imo, is that they didn't and Liberty didn't even question their 'authority' - they just rolled over.
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PinnedandRecessed
Allegedly
You might beat the rap but you can't beat the ride.
PinnedandRecessed
Allegedly
They can get you with DNA now too without it even being in CODIS. Your eighth cousin on your moms side just sent out a 23 & me DNA sample? You're done.
To be clear, clearing cold case files and apprehending murderers is a good thing but it's still an invasion of privacy.
Maybe he sold those guns several times.
The same Apple that removed Parlor from the App Store for refusing to censor content? The phone issue wasn’t really about protecting the customers rights. What the FBI requested from Apple was much different than what they requested from Liberty Safe.
Store gasoline in your safe if you suspect someone will be using a torch or angle grinder to cut it open.
Yep. Rule #1 with any combo is too change it from factory.
Rule #2; a search warrant can lawfully include searching the contents of a safe. If you really want to see the lock drilled, go ahead and be obstinate.
Rule #3. If you’re going to do something that’s going to result in your shit being subject to a lawful search, make sure you leave no trace and destroy all evidence.
