Safe companies giving police access to your personal safe - Liberty Safe - POLL

[MountainGirl]

Troubling, especially as it has ties to the fake insurrection.
Question: I only have one old school safe. On the digital ones, can't you change your own code?

Yep, and we did.
I'm wondering now, in the pad's software, if there isn't also a permanent 'master' code.
It's not a Liberty so not worried...maybe. Maybe they all do and it's just that Liberty got caught.

 

[jimbo]

Whatever happened to this?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

 

[Ozzman]

Third time is charm....

Safe companies giving police access to your personal safe - Liberty Safe - POLL

www.texasguntalk.com

yea... sorry, I didn't see that.

 

[jnynetwk]

Yep, and we did.
I'm wondering now, in the pad's software, if there isn't also a permanent 'master' code.
It's not a Liberty so not worried...maybe. Maybe they all do and it's just that Liberty got caught.

It looks like Securam makes their electronic locks, but I suspect you're right. This is probably a lock thing more than anything and probably affects more companies. Securam claims to be a "leading supplier" for home and commercial use.

 

[MountainGirl]

It looks like Securam makes their electronic locks, but I suspect you're right. This is probably a lock thing more than anything and probably affects more companies. Securam claims to be a "leading supplier" for home and commercial use.

Oh. Great.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Oh, they had a warrant to enter Hughes house. What they didn't have was a warrant, subpoena, or court order for Liberty to give up private customer info to them, they simply gave the FBI what they wanted over the phone. Liberty Safes caved, they f*cked up and they are going to pay.

And I wonder why they caved. The story gets more interesting.

If they have a warrant to get into the safe, they can get in by any means they need to use. I dont have a huge problem with Liberty providing the access code because the other option was destroying the safe and there was a warrant allowing them in (presumably).

I do applaud Liberty for henceforth not keeping any codes. My safe is cheap, but the fact the company didn't keep any backdoor codes was a plus for me.

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[cycleguy2300]

I have WAY more problems with the FBI persecution of Jan-6 folks than I do with a safe company providing a backdoor code when there is a warrant for the contents of the safe.

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[orbitup]

They have gone a new direction.

 

[TX oddball]

If they have a warrant to get into the safe, they can get in by any means they need to use. I dont have a huge problem with Liberty providing the access code because the other option was destroying the safe and there was a warrant allowing them in (presumably).

And I have a huge problem with Liberty, under zero legal obligation, freely giving up customer private information to authorities. You might not have a problem with it, but I guarantee you the overwhelming vast majority of gun owners take issue with this. Their tepid damage control to this comes late; they should have had this attitude before the incident, they closed the barn door after the horse left.

And now we have a company who claims to be a 2A supporter, yet they have donated to hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democrat candidates. Another Black Rfile Coffee company, I will never buy from them, and yes, I'm in the market for a new safe in the near future.

 

[Brains]

I do applaud Liberty for henceforth not keeping any codes. My safe is cheap, but the fact the company didn't keep any backdoor codes was a plus for me.

If you believe they can expunge "your" code with a simple request, I have a bridge over Lake Gullible for sale.

They are in damage control mode now, they are paying lip service only. If anything, they're merely storing a list of "people who requested code deletion" while doing precisely nothing.

To be more frank, I don't believe there's anything to delete. The backup code is a component of the lock firmware and will always exist.

 

[PinnedandRecessed]

The backup code is a component of the lock firmware and will always exist.

 

[DougC]

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[vmax]

Saw this as a screen shot on IG
Apparently Breitbart News ran this
No I don't have a link

 

[vmax]

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But becomes null when you switch out the keypad for a dial lock

 

[cycleguy2300]

And I have a huge problem with Liberty, under zero legal obligation, freely giving up customer private information to authorities. You might not have a problem with it, but I guarantee you the overwhelming vast majority of gun owners take issue with this. Their tepid damage control to this comes late; they should have had this attitude before the incident, they closed the barn door after the horse left.

And now we have a company who claims to be a 2A supporter, yet they have donated to hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democrat candidates. Another Black Rfile Coffee company, I will never buy from them, and yes, I'm in the market for a new safe in the near future.

Here is what I am considering:

The FBI is more than capable and WILL enter the safe regardless of Liberty or anyone elses cooperation. I.e. keeping the FBI out of the safe cannot and will not happen, they WILL get in.

Liberty may not have had a legal obligation to provide the entry code, but given that the FBI WILL make entry to the safe, providing the code prevents damage to the safe.

Was it a little bit of a bitch move in context of Jan 6? Yeah, but a warrant is a warrant and the FBI was getting into the safe either way so having the code simply prevented the owner from having addl damage to their property.

Its really no worse than me asking an apartment manager to unlock a door so I or EMS/Fire dont have to kick it in... I dont have a big problem with them helping with a warrant and I dont have a problem with their new policy...

If Liberty is in fact BRCCing and seriously donating to those who seek to destroy all most of us stand for then **** em.



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[Hoji]

Here is what I am considering:

The FBI is more than capable and WILL enter the safe regardless of Liberty or anyone elses cooperation. I.e. keeping the FBI out of the safe cannot and will not happen, they WILL get in.

Liberty may not have had a legal obligation to provide the entry code, but given that the FBI WILL make entry to the safe, providing the code prevents damage to the safe.

Was it a little bit of a bitch move in context of Jan 6? Yeah, but a warrant is a warrant and the FBI was getting into the safe either way so having the code simply prevented the owner from having addl damage to their property.

Its really no worse than me asking an apartment manager to unlock a door so I or EMS/Fire dont have to kick it in... I dont have a big problem with them helping with a warrant and I dont have a problem with their new policy...

If Liberty is in fact BRCCing and seriously donating to those who seek to destroy all most of us stand for then **** em.



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The owner of the safe gets to determine how hard fed.gov has to work to open it. NOT the manufacturer.

It is never in your best interests to even speak with alphabets. That is what lawyers are for.

 

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[cycleguy2300]

The owner of the safe gets to determine how hard fed.gov has to work to open it. NOT the manufacturer.

It is never in your best interests to even speak with alphabets. That is what lawyers are for.

I certainly understand and won't argue against that.

I will say there is a long deserved tradition of assisting LE, both federal and various more local agencies when they are engaged in legitimate and reasonable enforcement efforts or serving the public in a community caretaking role. I am in F- the feds, all of them mood these days due to their decidedly political persecution of citizens and the banana Republic style persecution of our former president.

I've asked for and receivedd basic assistance from citizens and businesses for lot of things they were not obligated to help with, but they did because they trusted me and my badge. That the FBI and ATF have so sullied their badge through their vile disregard for the constitution is where my ire lies. That is I AM upset Liberty worked with the Feds, but the general providing assistance to LE on a warrant service does not bother me so much.

I think the anger directed at Liberty could probably be better directed at the FBI (and legislators who fund them) to put a stop to the political persecutions.

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[Brains]

As I understand the context, the warrant was for the contents of the home, but did not specifically include the contents of a separately secured safe. Am I wrong to then assume they didn't have the legal ability to force entry, but since the code was provided that it is now suddenly ok?

I don't want to let my emotions ruin my judgement. I don't think anyone disagrees that if the "law" wants in, they're getting in. Heck, any one of us could redneck our way in given an hour with power tools. That's not the point, and it honestly feels ... I'll just say wrong, to suggest that's somehow a defense to these actions.

 

[cycleguy2300]

As I understand the context, the warrant was for the contents of the home, but did not specifically include the contents of a separately secured safe. Am I wrong to then assume they didn't have the legal ability to force entry, but since the code was provided that it is now suddenly ok?

I don't want to let my emotions ruin my judgement. I don't think anyone disagrees that if the "law" wants in, they're getting in. Heck, any one of us could redneck our way in given an hour with power tools. That's not the point, and it honestly feels ... I'll just say wrong, to suggest that's somehow a defense to these actions.

Warrants are supposed to be fairly specific as to what is to be seized... they are not intended to be an authorization for a fishing expedition.

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