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  • Renegade

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    You along with others doing the same would likely hand the election to the Dem if there are enough of you. Sometimes you just have to go with the lesser of two evils.

    No going with the lesser of two evils guarantees your gun rights go away. Just one party will take longer to do it.

    If the Republicans realize there is no penalty for being anti-gun, then they will always side with Dems on the issue.

    Some times you have to take short term losses to get long term gains.
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    Dash Riprock

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    You along with others doing the same would likely hand the election to the Dem if there are enough of you. Sometimes you just have to go with the lesser of two evils.

    Sorry if this offends you, but Ginsburg likely won't last another 4 years so I am going with Trump regardless.
    Doesn't offend me, I completely understand. I've been making compromises and choking down the lesser of two evils for decades. For the most part, the betrayals have been a failure to do what was promised in an area that did not necessarily have a direct impact on the constitution or on a fundamental right. In this case it would (potentially) be both. I think my breaking point is far more lenient than it should be, but at some point we all break. I'm nearly there.
     

    Renegade

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    Exactly, which is why I will go with Trump for the SC nomination. I am just taking a longer view. The SC is more important in getting rid of unconstitutional gun laws.

    SCOTUS has had plenty of opportunities to over turn gun laws and has failed each time. A great example is when NRA told Reagan to sign the FOPA in 86, saying they could overturn the MG ban with SCOTUS.

    A better strategy is to elect folks who do not sign anti gun laws, in the first place.
     

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    No going with the lesser of two evils guarantees your gun rights go away. Just one party will take longer to do it.

    If the Republicans realize there is no penalty for being anti-gun, then they will always side with Dems on the issue.

    Some times you have to take short term losses to get long term gains.
    Up until now I've pretty much resisted this view but I'm all but there. I expected Trump to stop this stuff, not enable it. Good grief Obama - OBAMA - wouldn't even ban bump stocks. Not only did Trump do it, he did it in a manner that greases the skids for an executive ban on ANY semi-auto weapon. And hardly anybody said a word. It's beyond infuriating.
     

    karlac

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    Exactly, which is why I will go with Trump for the SC nomination. I am just taking a longer view. The SC is more important in getting rid of unconstitutional gun laws.

    QFT ... that alone is the key to keeping the Republic.
    A conservative Federal judiciary to replace Hussein's mess is next.
     

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    Factually incorrect. Heller.
    But what have the done in the past decade besides turning down cases like the Kansas GOA case and CA infringement cases? If these people are going to be lifers on the court, they might as well be useful and listen to more cases. (Granted I know they have a lot of cases to hear about other stuff but still)
     

    BillFairbanks

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    So we need to throw out anyone who has ever supported or signs a bill in to law that was later thrown out by SCOTUS.


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    Absolutely, if you agree with the SCOTUS decision. Just because the majority issues an opinion, doesn’t mean it’s the right one. They’ve been known to issue plenty of idiotic rulings, hence the dissenting opinions.

    Defending the Constitution is everyone’s responsibility. The SCOTUS issues rulings, the President has Veto powers, and we have the ballot box.


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    oldag

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    But what have the done in the past decade besides turning down cases like the Kansas GOA case and CA infringement cases? If these people are going to be lifers on the court, they might as well be useful and listen to more cases. (Granted I know they have a lot of cases to hear about other stuff but still)
    When have we had a solid 5-4 conservative majority?

    Not until this year. (And I am giving Roberts the benefit of the doubt, he seems to be half politician/half justice.)
     

    Younggun

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    Absolutely, if you agree with the SCOTUS decision. Just because the majority issues an opinion, doesn’t mean it’s the right one. They’ve been known to issue plenty of idiotic rulings, hence the dissenting opinions.

    Defending the Constitution is everyone’s responsibility. The SCOTUS issues rulings, the President has Veto powers, and we have the ballot box.


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    Ok, we have the ballot box. So why would you impeach Trump over UBCs?


    Are we going to randomly decide what is and isn’t constitutional based on whoever happens to be in power at the time, then impeach every politician every time SCOTUS over rules them, or when SCOTUS rules in favor but we don’t like it?


    Who is going to support these impeachments? Doubtful it will be the majority of the population. And if we simply go by popular majority then Trump would have been impeached on the day of his inauguration.


    Sorry, I just don’t see how your plan makes any sense for a nation with a stable government. Sounds more like the road to instability leading to eventual totalitarianism. Or plain old mob rule.


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    avvidclif

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    Heller wasn't the big win many think it was.

    No but how many other cities shelved gun plans when they saw that ruling. You don't know what we avoided.

    On Trump. I know he's not a true 2A person. He depends on others for advise on that. AND who gave him the advise on bumpstocks, No Rifle Assn. I think LaPew thru us under the bus by backing it and Trump followed his lead.
     

    Renegade

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    No but how many other cities shelved gun plans when they saw that ruling. You don't know what we avoided.
    We avoided nothing as DC was the only jurisdiction with a complete ban. Not much of a win since all other states already recognized this even ny, nj, etc.
     
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    Kar98

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    Up until now I've pretty much resisted this view but I'm all but there. I expected Trump to stop this stuff, not enable it. Good grief Obama - OBAMA - wouldn't even ban bump stocks. Not only did Trump do it, he did it in a manner that greases the skids for an executive ban on ANY semi-auto weapon. And hardly anybody said a word. It's beyond infuriating.

    With Republicans like that, who needs Democrats?
     

    oldag

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    Heller just brought one city in line with the rest of country. 99% of the country was unaffected. No federal or state law was overturned. Nothing burger.
    Wrong again.

    The precedent set did bring changes in places other than DC.
     
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