SATX officer fired for shooting teen

[Axxe55]

IMO his firing into the vehicle was reckless endangerment at the very least.

 

[PDiddy]

That guy is farked

 

[Eli]

TL;DR
Cop messed up not following procedure, BUT stupid kid decided to play stupid games and try to escape a uniformed Peace Officer.

Section 9.51
(c) A peace officer is justified in using deadly force against another when and to the degree the peace officer reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary to make an arrest, or to prevent escape after arrest, if the use of force would have been justified under Subsection (a) and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the conduct for which arrest is authorized included the use or attempted use of deadly force; or

(2) the actor reasonably believes there is a substantial risk that the person to be arrested will cause death or serious bodily injury to the actor or another if the arrest is delayed.

The 17-year-old driver is in the hospital, most likely at taxpayer expense.
The probationary officer was fired for policy violations, not legal violations.

Eli

 

[Renegade]

The probationary officer was fired for policy violations, not legal violations.

Only because they wanted to get rid of him ASAP before legal investigation was complete.

He has since been charged for legal violations.

 

[Eli]

Since bad tactics by an officer is a big factor in the shooting this topic is based on, what do y'all think of this:



Casper, Wyoming police conducted a traffic stop. It was a pair of officers - I don't know if one is a trainee, or if Casper runs two man cars (small town, I wouldn't think they would be running in pairs) - while one officer returns to the vehicle to try and run the driver and passenger (who claimed to be the owner of the vehicle), the driver abruptly exits the vehicle. The officer who was running the pair then takes control over the driver as the passenger jumps into the driver seat to flee - the officer who had been watching the pair jumps in the vehicle in an attempt to stop him. The guy takes off with him in the car - getting shot just a few seconds later. He died from his gunshot wounds. Had that officer not jumped into the car in attempt to stop the flight - he wouldn't have gone for a joyride, and the situation might've been resolved without killing someone.

Insanity is the obituary for the deceased:

Thomas Joseph "TJ" Roeber age 42 passed away on May 6, 2021 doing what he always did, TJ loved to live life on the edge.

Only because they wanted to get rid of him ASAP before legal investigation was complete.

He has since been charged for legal violations.

Which were done improperly, and will be dismissed.

Eli

 

[Axxe55]

When you areon probation with a new job there are no benefits or protections for you SOP

 

[Renegade]

Insanity is the obituary for the deceased:

Good shoot, but if I was chief I would fire officer, cause in my Dept there would be a hard/fast rule, Never, ever get into a suspect car, do not even reach in such that you could get trapped. By doing this, officer put his life at unnecessary risk, and severely limited his options to only deadly force.

 

[Renegade]

Which were done improperly, and will be dismissed.

Not sure what you are referring to, the charges or the dismissal.

Both seem to be on solid ground unless you know something nobody else does.

 

[benenglish]

stupid kid decided to play stupid games and try to escape a uniformed Peace Officer.

That's an overstatement. In the instant context, the uniform lacked sufficient meaning to be determinative.

No one with a brain recognizes, respects, and obeys a uniform unless the totality of circumstances warrants it. That was not the case here.

 

[Renegade]

That's an overstatement. In the instant context, the uniform lacked sufficient meaning to be determinative.

No one with a brain recognizes, respects, and obeys a uniform unless the totality of circumstances warrants it. That was not the case here.

The video show a large well lit light to the right of the vehicle. So LEO was backlit and driver may not have even seen the uniform just the gun pointed in his face

 

[Eli]

That's an overstatement. In the instant context, the uniform lacked sufficient meaning to be determinative.

No one with a brain recognizes, respects, and obeys a uniform unless the totality of circumstances warrants it. That was not the case here.

It's not an overstatement, the uniform identifies the person as a peace officer as a matter of law. Cantu (the driver) identified the officer as an officer - Cantu looked the officer in the eye - and tried to escape in a manner that endangered the officer and the public, justifying the use of deadly force.
I'm still waiting to hear if it was the same car, and if the driver had any criminal history; and I suspect charges were dropped against Cantu to prevent arrest and county liability for medical care if he were to be arrested.
ETA: Cantu appeared, to me, to be under the influence, so I'm curious about any tox reports.

Eli

 

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[Sasquatch]

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Yeeeah, that's one for the fucked around & found out thread right there! Tell a cop, any cop "I got a gun and I'm gonna shoot you" and see how that plays out. I think they'd even be OK with that in Seattle.

 

[BBL]

Ex-Texas cop charged over shooting teen eating hamburger

A now-former San Antonio police officer has been charged with two counts of aggravated assault by a peace officer in last week’s shooting of a teen who was eating a hamburger in his car in a McDona…

www.bigcountryhomepage.com

Great. More leftist propaganda. Emotions over facts, as usual.
The cop did not shoot an innocent teen eating a hamburger. He shot at a suspect fleeing. (isn't feeling from the police a felony??)
I do not justify what the officer did. But they are still covering things up. No information on the "innocent" teen and why he ran. They are telling a lop-sided story. There is definitely more to this that we are not allowed to know.

 

[Renegade]

Great. More leftist propaganda. Emotions over facts, as usual.
The cop did not shoot an innocent teen eating a hamburger. He shot at a suspect fleeing. (isn't feeling from the police a felony??)
I do not justify what the officer did. But they are still covering things up. No information on the "innocent" teen and why he ran. They are telling a lop-sided story. There is definitely more to this that we are not allowed to know.

Yep. The entire basis for the McD stop was officer thought it was same car he chased night before. Since officer called in plates of car night before, they absolutely know if this was same plates or not.

They will not say I am guessing, because it is the same.

 

[BBL]

How much longer till we can get the truth/facts?

 

[toddnjoyce]

How much longer till we can get the truth/facts?

SAN ANTONIO – Update Oct. 13, 2 p.m.: SAPD confirmed the license plates did not belong to the vehicle Cantu was operating but reiterated that the vehicle was not stolen. “Due to the ongoing investigation, this is all we can provide,” police said.
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Brennand said he suspected the car Cantu was driving was stolen, but San Antonio police now confirm that wasn’t the case. “We can confirm that the vehicle was not a stolen vehicle,” a spokesperson with SAPD told KSAT via email.

Teen shot in McDonald’s parking lot was not driving stolen car, police say

The teenager shot by a San Antonio Police Officer in the parking lot of a McDonald’s was not driving a stolen vehicle, police confirmed to KSAT Thursday.

www.ksat.com

 

[Maverick44]

Great. More leftist propaganda. Emotions over facts, as usual.
The cop did not shoot an innocent teen eating a hamburger. He shot at a suspect fleeing. (isn't feeling from the police a felony??)
I do not justify what the officer did. But they are still covering things up. No information on the "innocent" teen and why he ran. They are telling a lop-sided story. There is definitely more to this that we are not allowed to know.

Fleeing alone is not justification for deadly force. Tennessee v. Garner established that. There has to be probable cause to belive that there is significant risk of death or serious physical injury to the officer, or others.

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[Renegade]

SAN ANTONIO – Update Oct. 13, 2 p.m.: SAPD confirmed the license plates did not belong to the vehicle Cantu was operating but reiterated that the vehicle was not stolen. “Due to the ongoing investigation, this is all we can provide,” police said.
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Brennand said he suspected the car Cantu was driving was stolen, but San Antonio police now confirm that wasn’t the case. “We can confirm that the vehicle was not a stolen vehicle,” a spokesperson with SAPD told KSAT via email.

Teen shot in McDonald’s parking lot was not driving stolen car, police say

The teenager shot by a San Antonio Police Officer in the parking lot of a McDonald’s was not driving a stolen vehicle, police confirmed to KSAT Thursday.

www.ksat.com

Ok, so it was mismatched plates on the vehicle, BUT

they still will not confirm if it was the same plates as they night before.

 

[Renegade]

Damn…

San Antonio police officer fired after shooting teen in McDonald's parking lot

The rookie cop initially said he was struck by the teen's vehicle, but newly released body-cam footage suggests otherwise.

www.sacurrent.com

Going back to this, it opens with:

Editor's Note: This story was edited to reflect that it's unclear from the body-cam video whether the driver put his car in reverse or it rolled backward because his foot left the brake pedal. The word "suspect" has also been removed and other details have been edited to more accurately reflect what can be seen in the video.

Serious? They cannot see his right hand drop the shifter one notch down into "R"?

However, in body-cam footage posted by the department, it appears the teen — who's recovering in hospital — never struck the officer.

Again, it sure looks like the door brushed the officer. Funny, in this case, they claim the video shows the car does not hit officer.