Felons and Gun Laws

[Younggun]

I see it kinda like the school zone debate in fed vs state law.

There are actually quite a few laws that most of us probably don't concern ourselves with.


I think it also comes down to a personal question of "is breaking <insert law> "wrong" or is it just illegal?".

I think there are a lot of laws that can be broken without actually being "wrong" or "bad". NFA laws for instance.

Then the question becomes "are the consequences worth it?". NFA laws have some insane consequences and since they are both fed and state the odds of being caught are a lot higher.

It's a choice we all make daily for many laws. Speed limits is probably the most common.

 

[Younggun]

Well, I do have to respectfully point out that your quoted general population statistics are inaccurate to this particular forum of people due to obvious shared interests and goals.

Point being everyone here (majority anyway) shares certain forms of commonality that cannot not be found in a similar sized group gathered randomly from the general population.

I'm not telling you that you should not ignore posters who you perceive to be assholes or confrontational; I'm just saying that you have a much greater likelihood of being able to work out and overcome your differences with guys here than you would with a similarly representative member of the general population.

Some of my best and longest lasting friendships were formed in the aftermath of fights.

Hicksville may be proof of what you are saying.

But some I have met there and still don't like

 

[Acera]

Picker hasn't really explained his stance much, but some of us see no problems with felons owning guns. It's not really about allowing them to commit more crimes though.

I'm along the lines of MHs post. If a felon can't be trusted with a firearm, they should probably still be on prison. If they are responsible enough to walk among us in society, they should be responsible enough to exercise their rights.

Again, I have no idea if the is Pickers stance, as he hasn't taken the time to explain his ideas in much detail.

I get that, but still we should not promote illegal activities, no matter if our personal opinion of the law is that it is unjust.

In our society a felon has a stigma attached to it, and as a society we treat those individuals differently. I am sure I have committed at least on felony in my past that I was not caught at. I would also bet that the vast majority of those on this board have done the same thing. Whether it was driving past a school on the freeway with a loaded gun in the car and not having a CHL from that state, or something more sinister like not paying taxes for an out of state online purchase. Most of us don't intend to commit crimes, and change or review our behavior when we realize we have.



The law is set so that most can get run through the system for very minor things. Our govt. is good at making mountains out of molehills if given the proper incentive.
L. Gordon Crovitz: You Commit Three Felonies a Day - WSJ


I see it as this simple:
Don't think the owners of this board (who we are guests in their house) want to take this forum to a place where we discuss ways to circumvent the gun laws for personal gain. We can debate the ethics, validity, need, etc. for certain laws, but must understand that while they are on the books and valid we face consequences for violating them and not lead folks into thinking otherwise.

 

[TXARGUY]

I don't think anyone here is suggesting or advocating circumventing laws.

The discussion is valid.

 

[picker]

Stop it picker, I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off at your ignorance of me..............


But tell me more why you think it is unjust that felons can't have guns and we should help them commit more crimes????? Are you a troll for the left wing anti-gunners trying to get something to use against law abiding citizens and their 2nd amendment rights???

I see right now Im gonna hafta exercise my constitutional right and add you to my ignore list[smile].
let it go bubba, just my opinion...........best/joe

 

[Younggun]

Lol, that was unexpected.

 

[Acera]

I don't think anyone here is suggesting or advocating circumventing laws.

The discussion is valid.

If the federal government and its laws say his activities are prohibited and you say he can do those activities I see the disconnect in your point.
http://www.justice.gov/usao/ut/documents/guncard.pdf

If he sucessfully goes through the legal procedure to have his rights restored, then have at it. But until then telling the OP differently is not 100% ethical.


edited to add, I am trusting that the BATFE is clearly explaining the laws on their websites and not twisting them to a biased conclusion that might be incorrect. I have been corrected before when the 'whole truth and nothing but the truth' was not displayed by the BATFE

 

[Glockster69]

Well number 5, the key word here is "convictions". I have NO convictions, charges or other limitations on my citizenship. My record is absolutely spotless. Why or how did that happen? I damned sure don't know.

It doesn't matter if you agree with that or not. That's the way it is.

Your post has the usual combative tone, belligerent and rude. Long ago, my behavior would have been much different. Today, I bid you a good day and settle back into a peaceful coexistence enabled by the "ignore" list.

I looked at your post.....It was very predictable that it turned out to be a mistake. It won't happen again.

As to my past...........I grew up. You might try that.

Flash

I assume by grown up you accept responsibility for your past, ALL OF IT.

Well, except the ones you haven't been convicted for. Denial, one of life's little conveniences.

 

[Acera]

I see right now Im gonna hafta exercise my constitutional right and add you to my ignore list[smile].
let it go bubba, just my opinion...........best/joe

I see you are new here, it explains a lot. Glad to make your list...............................

 

[winchster]

I'm of the mind that if a felon did his time and paid his debt, his rights ought to be restored. A man is either square with the house or not. Shouldn't be able to have it both ways.

 

[mitchntx]

I'm of the opinion the OP can make his own decisions and the ethical boundary is between him and Johnny Law.

I see no problem in asking about the ethical boundary.

And I wish the ignore list would completely mask those who are on it.

 

[winchster]

I also might add, as to federal law, all of the founding fathers were guilty of treason. Just saying. ..

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

Ok Kaylee1999, look here now. All these responses you're getting...well, they just don't know what they're talking about. You can MOST definitely buy, carry, shoot, and hunt with any weapon you'd like!!! See, here's what you gotta do. I know a guy down in San Antonio that we go talk to, and he can get you whatever it is you may be in the mood for. Hell, he can even get you some nice 80% lowers if you'd prefer not having a serial number. Then, when traveling with your long guns, you just keep them covered with a towel or in a bag, and of course keep your pistol on your hip and under your shirt. Hey-I know this isn't what they're telling you but I KNOW MY RIGHTS!!!! The constitution CLEARLY states that everyone has the right to own firearms. For storage at home, just have a big hole dug into your floor and put in a safe under your bed. Then, it's extremely secure and it's hidden from any "intruders". You also want to go ahead and spray paint your entire fence line purple. This will let the cops and anybody else know that they can't come on to your property without permission from you ahead of time. If they do come on to your property...just remember these 4 important words- I KNOW MY RIGHTS.

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

Oh yea-Roger. Younggun wasn't giving you attitude. He just always talks like that. It's the way he is. Y'all go on and be friends now - k?

 

[Renegade]

@Koinonia - Yes, technically felons are not supposed to purchase ammunition, but there is no background check on that. I purchase it all the time from Academy, Bass Pro, etc. along with my hunting license and so forth

Some folks are just born fucking stupid.

Like this admitted convicted felon, posting on a gun board subscribed to by many LEOs, about how he continues to break the law.

Perhaps he is just a troll.

IBTL.

 

[TXARGUY]

Some folks are just born $#@!ing stupid.

Agreed

Perhaps he is just a troll.

IBTL.

Hadn't considered that possibility.

 

[vmax]

I agree with someone else that posted ... why don't non violent felons get their rights back after prison/probation time?

If we as a society say, he served 10 years of probation or 8 years behind bars, then that was his punishment.

If I got into trouble in grammar school and I had a choice to take the licks or set it out in detention, I'd take the licks and get it over because after I walked out it was over and nothing was hanging over me.

maybe we need to look at our laws but until they are changed, they are the law

 

[hellishhorses]

Hicksville may be proof of what you are saying.

But some I have met there and still don't like

Hey!!!

 

[cbigclarke]

Hicksville may be proof of what you are saying.

But some I have met there and still don't like

You don't have to put us out there like that

 

[hellishhorses]

Like this admitted convicted felon, posting on a gun board subscribed to by many LEOs, about how he continues to break the law.

But some folks on this thread think he hasn't done anything wrong because he hasn't been caught.