Warfarin Hog Pesticide - Scary Stuff

[peeps]

Does that really sound like something a government-type would consider doing?.....

Hehe, maybe if it were Trump. X-D

Idk, wonder what Gov Abbot would say about it....

 

[ROGER4314]

I like your idea, but whose going to set up such a program and pay the bounty?

The bounty needs to be on a county level. Some counties don't have a hog problem. Others, like mine have hogs everywhere, and they ARE extremely destructive. Piggies breed like rabbits. Our county posts a bounty. Your county may not. With refrigerated trucks, the meat could be transported anywhere hunger is a problem OR we have plenty of hungry people right here!

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[Double Naught Spy]

There isn't a county in Texas that doesn't have a hog problem. A county by county system is problematic because people will simply kill in one country and claim the bounty in another. So it might as well be a state bounty. That way, it doesn't matter what county you are in, you are eligible for the $.

Pigs do not breed like rabbits, but they breed faster than other cloven-hooved mammals in North America. While feral pigs could potentially breed nearly three times a year, they generally only breed about 3 times every 2 years. Cottontails can have up to 7 litters a year, but generally only have 3-4 litters per year. The real difference here is that cottontails have something like a 90-95% mortality rate inside the first year of life and hogs have only a 25% mortality rate in the first year (the rabbit mortality information I recall from classes on mammalogy and the hog information comes from http://articles.extension.org/pages/63660/feral-hog-population-biology ).

It is illegal to distribute feral hog meat for public consumption if a hog has not been first inspected while alive before being slaughtered, and then inspected after slaughter, just like with domestic hogs. Hog meat for those in need would have to come from hogs trapped and taken to an approved facility (they are numerous such facilities all over the state) while still alive. So this would not apply to hunters.

 

[karlac]

Ironic that a hunting culture that could wipe out buffalo to near extinction, and almost the same with deer, ducks and geese, can't handle a feral hog problem until it begs being "managed" before the government steps in.


At first glance seems symptomatic of government regulation and intervention making a problem worse?

 

[TTplinker]

Ironic that a hunting culture that could wipe out buffalo to near extinction, and almost the same with deer, ducks and geese, can't handle a feral hog problem until it begs being "managed" before the government steps in.


At first glance seems symptomatic of government regulation and intervention making a problem worse?

It's far more a cultural issue because the people of the mid to late 1800s had to be hunters to survive. Contrary to today's culture having everything handed to them. It's no longer a disconnect between farm/ranch to market. It's a divide between producers and consumers. People have no idea how groceries get to the stores anymore. Today's society will believe any uneducated, everything on the planet has equality, quinoa eating, tree hugging liberal that comes along. #EndOfRant

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies. -Groucho Marx

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[ZX9RCAM]

http://thestarryeye.typepad.com/pets/2009/11/newspaper-letter-to-the-editor-no-more-hunting.html

 

[TTplinker]

http://thestarryeye.typepad.com/pets/2009/11/newspaper-letter-to-the-editor-no-more-hunting.html

LOL! My point exactly! Thanks for sharing.


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[ROGER4314]

I was around when Rachel Carson wrote "Silent Spring" and remember the panic when DDT was found in measurable amounts of contamination in almost every aspect of life on Earth.

I remember well, the radiation being found in every damned thing on Earth from atmospheric testing of nukes.

When Mount St Helens blew her top, we ate dust flowing in the air from Washington State as it floated around the globe over & over.

As a Master SCUBA Diver and DiveMaster, I can assure you that the crap we throw in the water is still down there and the medical waste and trash that coastal cities dump by the barge loads into the ocean is still there, too.

When that well blew out in the Gulf, we rejoiced when the Gulf surface water looked clean. Of course it was clean! The heavy components of that Crude oil sink to the bottom. Yup, it's still there.

SO....we have a piggie problem. Hell, let's just spread more chemicals around and introduce that into the food chain. It's how we do things.

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[Hoji]

There isn't a county in Texas that doesn't have a hog problem. A county by county system is problematic because people will simply kill in one country and claim the bounty in another. So it might as well be a state bounty. That way, it doesn't matter what county you are in, you are eligible for the $.

Pigs do not breed like rabbits, but they breed faster than other cloven-hooved mammals in North America. While feral pigs could potentially breed nearly three times a year, they generally only breed about 3 times every 2 years. Cottontails can have up to 7 litters a year, but generally only have 3-4 litters per year. The real difference here is that cottontails have something like a 90-95% mortality rate inside the first year of life and hogs have only a 25% mortality rate in the first year (the rabbit mortality information I recall from classes on mammalogy and the hog information comes from http://articles.extension.org/pages/63660/feral-hog-population-biology ).

It is illegal to distribute feral hog meat for public consumption if a hog has not been first inspected while alive before being slaughtered, and then inspected after slaughter, just like with domestic hogs. Hog meat for those in need would have to come from hogs trapped and taken to an approved facility (they are numerous such facilities all over the state) while still alive. So this would not apply to hunters.

I am so glad you are posting on this subject. I get tired of repeating myself and maybe if people hear it from someone else who kill them for a living it will sink in.( I no longer kill them for a living, but do a lot of hog killing as continuing land Management on properties I hunt on)

 

[peeps]

Interesting...So what exactly do they inspect before slaughter? Just a visual on the hog, or....?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Interesting...So what exactly do they inspect before slaughter? Just a visual on the hog, or....?

Yes, it is mostly just a visual on the hog, and commercially, on the facility in which they are being kept. They watch the hogs at rest and in motion to make sure they do not exhibit any behavioral signs of illness that would not be able to be assessed if the hog is already dead. I am sure there is more to it than that, but that is the gist.

 

[peeps]

Hmmmmmm, curious if that's something able to be observed in the field..

 

[roadkill]

Labored breathing. Bleeding around mouth and nose. These happened when one of our dogs we assumed ate or licked the blood of a mouse/rat. Never knew for sure but we had poison in bait stations in the barn and outside the house. Google rat poison pets and I'm sure you'll find symptoms to look for.

 

[theblakester]

My dad had some old rat poison blocks in his tool shed before he moved about 10 years ago. He was cleaning out the shed and threw them in the back yard. They were over 20 years old. Greenish/blue color. His 1-2 yr old golden retriever mix are them and had greenish poop. I went over there with Mexican food for lunch a couple days after and the dog was just laying in the grass in the sun. He would barely get up to come to me and didn't even want to eat a piece of chicken. The dog was normally full of energy. Told my dad and he said the dog was being lethargic the night before. We took him to the vet and they ended up doing a blood transfusion and when questioning my dad mentioned poison and that's when it clicked for him. The next 24 hours were questionable but the dog made it. My dad thought the poison was not effective anymore after being out in the tool shed for 20-25 years. I'm not sure exactly what poison it was and the dog didn't bleed from the mouth but he was apparently bleeding from the inside and almost didn't make it.


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[roadkill]

Our dog had gums that were bleeding and went off food too. Went to vet did transfusions as well as vitamin k but she didn't make it.

 

[theblakester]

I think vitamin k sounds familiar from that situation. Sorry to hear


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[ROGER4314]

It's good that the dog made it and it shows how easily poisons can do harm. Sometimes the alternatives work much better than the poison.

My house rests on what used to be a rice field and bugs like spiders & crickets love it here. I poisoned the crap out of the house foundation and around the exterior for years. Started buying plants at Home Depot and Lowes but little Anole lizards came with the plants.

Those lizards are bug eating fools! They reproduce rapidly, I haven't used a drop of poison in years and I love my little lizards!

Similarly, when spiders got into the house, I used to grab a can of poison to blast 'em. Now, I get my Bug Assault rifle and tear the little bastards up with it. It's a lot more fun, too. I still spray poison at the base of exterior and the garage door but that's all.

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[motorcarman]

People have used poisons before....................

A father and son who operate a large potato farm in northern Wisconsin have agreed to pay $100,000 in restitution in connection with the poisoning deaths of more than 70 wild animals, including at least two bald eagles.

MITCHELL, S.D. — A Letcher, S.D., man faces more than a year in jail for his role in the death of a bald eagle in 2015.
Ted Nelson, 69, was found guilty with unlawful taking of a bald eagle and unlawful use of the pesticide Carbofuran, a poison he injected in cow carcasses in order to kill predators, according to Wednesday’s news release from the U.S. District Attorney’s Office.

On Monday, Feb. 13, 2006, a two-year joint investigation conducted by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Office of Law Enforcement, the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission, and the Environmental Protection Agency the concluded with the sentencing of Alfred Craft of West Monroe, Louisiana, for the killing of an American Bald Eagle.
After sending the Bald Eagle remains to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Forensic Laboratory, Forensic Scientists determined that the deadly agricultural pesticide named Temik was found in the stomach of the bald eagle. Temik is a powerful poison that is normally used on agricultural fields and crops such as rice, corn and citrus to kill insects. Temik is extremely toxic to birds and mammals and is so dangerous that its use is restricted by law.

The solution to one problem seems to create others............

bob

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I think folks will largely be liability-free if the product is being used correctly, but my guess is that like with the problems noted above, the problems will "mostly" occur when folks don't strictly follow the directions. The father and son got in trouble not because the animals died, but because they died as a result of the unlawful use of the poison..

 

[Texas42]

Warfarin is a lot safer that the stuff that is rodenticides right now.

I have a hard hard time believing it would be a real danger to hunters.

I dont really have a dog in the fight, . . .