Lakewood Church (Joel Osteen's) Shooting

[DoubleDuty]

Yes. Like the neighbor said "if you see something say something" is bullshit. She said alot and nothing happened.

But but it's the guns man

 

[DoubleDuty]

Yes. Like the neighbor said "if you see something say something" is bullshit. She said alot and nothing happened.

her ex mother in law notified the authorities but no one else did anything.

 

[deemus]

Yes. Like the neighbor said "if you see something say something" is bullshit. She said alot and nothing happened.

It gets back to this same conversation we had in the past month.

Lady was schizophrenic, but due to laws now in effect nobody can do anything until they demonstrate they are a danger to themselves or others.

It’s a hard standard. And there’s no place to put people like this anymore. And no way to get them locked up until they hurt someone.

In this case the situation resolved itself.

Unfortunate for all parties.

Trauma for those who witnessed it. Guilt for the shooters on some level. Only winner is her. She’s now free.

 

[wakosama]

Nothing in 6 major media about it this am. just Cory Bush whimpering because she lost. Ya'll were right about it being covered up asap.

 

[deemus]

Nothing in 6 major media about it this am. just Cory Bush whimpering because she lost. Ya'll were right about it being covered up asap.

I dont see it as covered up. It was reported on heavily and ran its course. Nothing new to report.

Another crazy lady who got herself killed.

 

[kbaxter60]

Another crazy lady who got herself killed.

Yeah, another case of having multiple "red flags" (if you'll pardon the expression), yet zero done to prevent her going full nutso. Not only does it not support the anti-gun agenda, it actually shows how laws we already HAVE are not being used effectively, if at all. Which tends to tell you that yet another law is not going to help.

 

[deemus]

The laws need to be changed. Somewhere between what we have now and the excessive unpoliced laws of the 50's and 60's.

Old law you could get ANYONE committed permanently. Hard to get it undone.

New law you can't lock anyone up unless you see them doing stupid stuff.

Possible law that recognizes potentially dangerous individuals needs to happen. If this lady would have been observed and possibly committed, even temporarily, and maybe meds adjusted? Could have had an entirely different outcome. I have doubts in todays anything goes society that this will ever change.

Sadly for most of these people its a matter of when, not if. Schizophrenia is an awful thing for those who have it and their loved ones.

 

[DoubleDuty]

The laws need to be changed. Somewhere between what we have now and the excessive unpoliced laws of the 50's and 60's.

Old law you could get ANYONE committed permanently. Hard to get it undone.

New law you can't lock anyone up unless you see them doing stupid stuff.

Possible law that recognizes potentially dangerous individuals needs to happen. If this lady would have been observed and possibly committed, even temporarily, and maybe meds adjusted? Could have had an entirely different outcome. I have doubts in todays anything goes society that this will ever change.

Sadly for most of these people its a matter of when, not if. Schizophrenia is an awful thing for those who have it and their loved ones.

Her ex mother-in-law reported her

 

[striker55]

I think it was a good outcome other than the two who got shot. She was taken down with minimum damage.

 

[leVieux]

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I read only about half of it.

She-it was flying red flags bigger than those of the Richmond AutoDealerships out US59/IH69 (SW Fwy) !

I always agree that everyone deserves due process, but it surely needs to be faster in cases like this one !

Meanwhile, those who protect innocents should be equipped with modern carbines, at a minimum. Many of these nutcases are wearing armor lately.

I regularly visit a place where very few are armed; and I often wonder whether I should take a chance on a handgun shot at a distance, and I just don’t know. Certainly don’t want to make anything worse.

I recall that way back when I was an F.P. Doc, we could have people we had reason to believe dangerous committed for 48 to 72 hours on the authority of two licensed Physicians who were familiar & agreed, detained against their will. Of course, they would get a court hearing asap.

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[cycleguy2300]

It gets back to this same conversation we had in the past month.

Lady was schizophrenic, but due to laws now in effect nobody can do anything until they demonstrate they are a danger to themselves or others.

It’s a hard standard. And there’s no place to put people like this anymore. And no way to get them locked up until they hurt someone.

In this case the situation resolved itself.

Unfortunate for all parties.

Trauma for those who witnessed it. Guilt for the shooters on some level. Only winner is her. She’s now free.

A person has to be an Immediate danger of SBI or death to themselves or others due to mental illness to be placed on a police officer's emergency detention.

It can be difficult to articulate sometimes...

Its a fine line to walk not taking away someone's rights just because they are different or have a disease, but preserving the safety of others. At times it is like watching someone walk through a store putting things in their pocket. its not theft until they leave so you are limited on what you can do...

Sometimes officer need to dig a little sometimes citizens need to explain more to us to paint the picture.

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[Tnhawk]

Her ex mother-in-law reported her

I would hate it if the government were to use my ex mother-in-law as a factor on my ability to own firearms.

 

[Spcwolf]

I would hate it if the government were to use my ex mother-in-law as a factor on my ability to own firearms.

Dude no kidding.

Nothing worse than a MIL, majority are just hellspawn with weak husbands.

 

[DocBeech]

That’s a funny way to just say Christian.
You know, like they called themselves in the book of Acts.

I don't make the rules, I just ponder at why some of them exist. I am friends with someone who was born in Mexico and is a Messianic Jew. Another buddy of ours, who was also born in Mexico and moved here in his teens (legally) shared with me, and surprised me by how big his community is, that along with himself their are a large number of LDS in Mexico. So, yeah. Theirs that.

 

[Sasquatch]

A person has to be an Immediate danger of SBI or death to themselves or others due to mental illness to be placed on a police officer's emergency detention.

It can be difficult to articulate sometimes...

Its a fine line to walk not taking away someone's rights just because they are different or have a disease, but preserving the safety of others. At times it is like watching someone walk through a store putting things in their pocket. its not theft until they leave so you are limited on what you can do...

Sometimes officer need to dig a little sometimes citizens need to explain more to us to paint the picture.

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That was one of the biggest, most frustrating challenges working at the busy hospital in Houston. VERY active psych unit, but sometimes we'd get patients in that needed an EDO, but the cops dropping them at the walk-in ER couldn't / wouldn't articulate a reason to involuntarily admit them. They would bring them in as voluntary patients, who could then just walk back out on the street and we *knew* they were likely to harm themselves or someone else (such as those with history of suicide attempts or drug induced psychosis) but in the moment the person was either acting "fine" or they were on that borderline of yes / no for an EDO, and most cops in Harris County leaned toward "NO" because they didn't want that liability, and I get it, but then you see someone with six suicide attempts and a drug habit walk out the door toward a 5 lane highway and just hope they don't come back in as a motor-ped accident or something.

With all the tax money the states, counties, and cities collect their prioritization is wack. Mental health needs more funding / more beds / more providers. But nah, they don't get it. YOu could have a 2000 bed psych hospital and still have 20,000 people walking the streets in need of in-patient treatment that won't get it.

 

[MTA]

Jews for Jesus will always make me think of this scene from Airplane:

 

[Moonpie]

I would've of liked to have dated her.

 

[leVieux]

The laws need to be changed. Somewhere between what we have now and the excessive unpoliced laws of the 50's and 60's.

Old law you could get ANYONE committed permanently. Hard to get it undone.

New law you can't lock anyone up unless you see them doing stupid stuff.

Possible law that recognizes potentially dangerous individuals needs to happen. If this lady would have been observed and possibly committed, even temporarily, and maybe meds adjusted? Could have had an entirely different outcome. I have doubts in todays anything goes society that this will ever change.

Sadly for most of these people its a matter of when, not if. Schizophrenia is an awful thing for those who have it and their loved ones.

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BUT, the problem with increasing legal restrictions is that they ALWAYS END-UP BEING USED AGAINST us non-criminals.

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[wakosama]

 

[TAZ]

The laws need to be changed. Somewhere between what we have now and the excessive unpoliced laws of the 50's and 60's.

Old law you could get ANYONE committed permanently. Hard to get it undone.

New law you can't lock anyone up unless you see them doing stupid stuff.

Possible law that recognizes potentially dangerous individuals needs to happen. If this lady would have been observed and possibly committed, even temporarily, and maybe meds adjusted? Could have had an entirely different outcome. I have doubts in todays anything goes society that this will ever change.

Sadly for most of these people its a matter of when, not if. Schizophrenia is an awful thing for those who have it and their loved ones.

Let’s first start with enforcing the laws our ever benevolent government has at its disposal. Weapons violations. Assault and God knows what else this PODS had done, yet it’s still walking about. Had the government done their jobs she would not have been circulating in civil society.

Start with no pleas or dropped weapons charges. Or no pleas in general for political points.


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