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  • bowserb

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    I spent nearly 20 years clearing homes and businesses for a living. I know my home and le is 20 minutes away I'll clear my own home thank you.
    No offense intended. I'll wager you are the one of very few on this board who could make that statement. Most people have other jobs and just arm themselves for emergencies. To advise that an ordinary untrained, inexperienced lone citizen attempt to clear his house of potentially multiple armed, desperate, hyped-on-drugs criminals, is just bad advice.

    I spent a year in Vietnam with a "loaner" M-16 (20" barrel, 1:12 rifling, clip-on bipod, fixed stock, open front flash hider), a bunch of mags, free ammunition, and a machete. I've had handgun training--beyond just the CHL class--and a concealed handgun license for eight years. I've shot many rounds under imaginary panic situations. I consider myself slightly above average in capabilities and willingness to use deadly force. I have Texas Law Shield legal defense coverage. There are no children in our house normally.

    If scumbags break into our house in the night, my wife and I will get on the floor on the side of the bed away from the door, we will call 911 on a cell phone (the alarm company may also, but I won't depend on that) and wait with 14 rounds of .45acp in a SA XDM45 and 9 rounds of .45acp in a Colt XSE, both trained on the bedroom door. If we don't hear a siren and see flashing lights, I assume whomever comes through that door is planning to harm us, and we will not wait to find out. My wife will shoot low; I'll shoot high, to provide hits in the gut and chest. An invasion at some other time will have us with only the XDM and having to respond immediately, but that would not be a house clearing operation.

    Every person's situation is different, but the general advice that is given by self-defense trainers and law enforcement is to not try and clear your house of criminals. Even though you know the house, most people are less capable of prevailing in a violent encounter than the criminals in their house.
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    Big Phil

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    I think the standard recommendation for clearing the house is not to try. Gather in your safest spot, call 911, tell the dispatcher where in the house you are and that you are armed and waiting...and wait. If a bg comes into view, you "clear" the place where he is standing. You don't go looking for criminals.

    That's what the experts suggest. There's no stuff the scum can take that the insurance money can't replace with something better! Except you. Make an armed stand behind the bed where you can send a hail of bullets at the door.


    Please excuse typos. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk.

    That's all well and good until you live in a one story house in separate rooms from your children. As most master bedrooms are furthest from the front door I'm not going to sit in my room while somebody takes my kids (or worse) while I wait on the cops.

    I don't give a shit about my stuff I have insurance to cover that. I refuse to let somebody separate me from my kids. That's why I got a CHL in the first place. There are sick people in this world that could care less about the police. But I'll be damned if my family becomes a statistic.
     

    bowserb

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    That's all well and good until you live in a one story house in separate rooms from your children. As most master bedrooms are furthest from the front door I'm not going to sit in my room while somebody takes my kids (or worse) while I wait on the cops. I don't give a shit about my stuff I have insurance to cover that. I refuse to let somebody separate me from my kids. That's why I got a CHL in the first place. There are sick people in this world that could care less about the police. But I'll be damned if my family becomes a statistic.
    You raise a good point about a one-story house. I would guess the majority of houses in this country are one story. And for some reason, the preferred style of two-story house for many people is with the master bedroom down. Personally, I don't understand that preference, but I'm told it's so. That puts the kids not only away from the master bedroom but even on another floor. In that case, some invasion planning and practice is really in order.

    Regardless of one or two stories, kids or no kids, the first order of business should be gathering the household in a relatively safe and defensible spot while waiting for police. If you leave your family while you go on a search and destroy mission, they are vulnerable, especially if you get shot, stabbed or clubbed while away from them. Keep the family together and safe. Let the police clear the house.

    BTW, Phil. Your ability to correctly spell separate puts you in the top 25% of all discussion forum users. Congrats.
     

    BIGPAPIGREG

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    that's all well and good until you live in a one story house in separate rooms from your children. As most master bedrooms are furthest from the front door i'm not going to sit in my room while somebody takes my kids (or worse) while i wait on the cops.

    I don't give a shit about my stuff i have insurance to cover that. I refuse to let somebody separate me from my kids. That's why i got a chl in the first place. There are sick people in this world that could care less about the police. But i'll be damned if my family becomes a statistic.

    +1 ^^^this^^^
     

    Big Phil

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    You raise a good point about a one-story house. I would guess the majority of houses in this country are one story. And for some reason, the preferred style of two-story house for many people is with the master bedroom down. Personally, I don't understand that preference, but I'm told it's so. That puts the kids not only away from the master bedroom but even on another floor. In that case, some invasion planning and practice is really in order.

    Regardless of one or two stories, kids or no kids, the first order of business should be gathering the household in a relatively safe and defensible spot while waiting for police. If you leave your family while you go on a search and destroy mission, they are vulnerable, especially if you get shot, stabbed or clubbed while away from them. Keep the family together and safe. Let the police clear the house.

    BTW, Phil. Your ability to correctly spell separate puts you in the top 25% of all discussion forum users. Congrats.

    The floor plan of my house ultimately dictates my plan (think small). So even if I went to get my kids I would be in direct line of sight with an intruder. Luckily the back yard is patrolled by a 90 pound beast of a dog, that I'm 99% sure has prevented a break in.

    I can't take credit for the spelling, although I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
     

    V-Tach

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    I think that many Citizens don't give a second thought to a "home security plan". They have the fire plan, get a security alarm system/monitoring company and think they are "safe".

    Timely thread.....thanks for the good discussion...
     

    bowserb

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    As long as we're on home security, even if you have an alarm system and extra long double cylinder dead bolt locks with high security strikes, have you considered a couple of these?
    Master Lock 265DCCSEN Dual-Function Security Bar - Amazon.com
    I bought one for travel, for motel room doors, and decided it might be good on our back door. I tried pushing the door open with it in place, and it works really well, so I bought a second one for the front door. One second to remove, easy to hide in the closet when company's over, and stronger than any deadbolt lock with typical home construction, at least as long as the floor under it is not carpet.

    Yeah the windows are still a weak point, although most of them I've drilled and screwed shut. Each thing you do discourages one more level of criminal. The gates to the back yard have locks on them. Both our electric and gas meters are remotely read, so there is no need for utility people to get into the back yard. Climbing a fence is a lot of trouble, if the next house over has unlocked gates. Also our house is never dark. Timers on outside and inside lights. Hall lights on dimmers are always on. I'm still researching video cameras. So far, it looks like installation is the big cost, and most of the equipment is cheap and unreliable, or expensive and still not totally reliable.
     

    bowserb

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    One more thing. Want to keep up with crime in your area? Spotcrime.com. You can sign up your zip code and get periodic, at least daily, reports of burglaries, robberies, thefts, assaults, etc. within five miles of your zip code. Caution. It may make you uneasy, especially if you live in a haven for illegal immigrants and lingering Katrina "evacuees", like Houston.
     

    willygene

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    No offense intended. I'll wager you are the one of very few on this board who could make that statement. Most people have other jobs and just arm themselves for emergencies. To advise that an ordinary untrained, inexperienced lone citizen attempt to clear his house of potentially multiple armed, desperate, hyped-on-drugs criminals, is just bad advice.

    I spent a year in Vietnam with a "loaner" M-16 (20" barrel, 1:12 rifling, clip-on bipod, fixed stock, open front flash hider), a bunch of mags, free ammunition, and a machete. I've had handgun training--beyond just the CHL class--and a concealed handgun license for eight years. I've shot many rounds under imaginary panic situations. I consider myself slightly above average in capabilities and willingness to use deadly force. I have Texas Law Shield legal defense coverage. There are no children in our house normally.

    If scumbags break into our house in the night, my wife and I will get on the floor on the side of the bed away from the door, we will call 911 on a cell phone (the alarm company may also, but I won't depend on that) and wait with 14 rounds of .45acp in a SA XDM45 and 9 rounds of .45acp in a Colt XSE, both trained on the bedroom door. If we don't hear a siren and see flashing lights, I assume whomever comes through that door is planning to harm us, and we will not wait to find out. My wife will shoot low; I'll shoot high, to provide hits in the gut and chest. An invasion at some other time will have us with only the XDM and having to respond immediately, but that would not be a house clearing operation.

    Every person's situation is different, but the general advice that is given by self-defense trainers and law enforcement is to not try and clear your house of criminals. Even though you know the house, most people are less capable of prevailing in a violent encounter than the criminals in their house.
    Apparently you didn't read my post, nowhere in it did I advise anyone to clear there home I said I would. So before you go lecturing me you should work on your reading comprehension.
     

    35Remington

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    I'm still researching video cameras. So far, it looks like installation is the big cost, and most of the equipment is cheap and unreliable, or expensive and still not totally reliable.

    You can do it. I'm watching my house from my iPhone, in bed, right this minute.


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    M. Sage

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    Great post, and everybody needs to have a plan! Pick a place for everybody to meet and hold that spot. It should have limited access (up stairs is great) and a choke point for you to hold (again, stairs are great). It's much easier to aim down a narrow hallway and shoot anybody dumb enough to try coming down it than it is stepping into a room and realizing you've got three guys spread around it.

    Only two reasons I know of to move: To get to a safe place (everybody should know this spot) or to recover a loved one and bring them to a safe place.

    Clearing a building solo when there is any other option available is pants-on-head retarded. Defending a spot with your family safely behind you is the smartest thing you can possibly do. I don't even have a family, and going down those stairs is not something that I'm going to do.

    Now, if you're not SURE someone is there, going out and looking is something I'd call reasonable. But if you KNOW, if someone just kicked your door down... why give up a huge advantage?
     

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    I live in a van down by the river. I just drive off to where the cops are. No sir, guns are only for dem der military whackos and hill people.
     

    bowserb

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    Apparently you didn't read my post, nowhere in it did I advise anyone to clear there home I said I would. So before you go lecturing me you should work on your reading comprehension.
    I did read your post. You could have added that you do not advise that anyone without your experience try to do the same. Otherwise, there was no point in your posting that message at all.
     

    bowserb

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    35Remington, can you share the brand and model of your system? Every time I think I've found one, I run into a bunch of bad reviews (Amazon, Home Depot, and others). My neighbor across the street installed one himself from Sam's Club. He has wires tacked to the brick walls in some places, and ran cables through the wall on the side of his house, but his seems to work. He even has one camera pointed at my driveway. He gave me the logon to the system so I could check with my iPhone. I'm still considering it.
     

    TX69

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    Not gonna clear my house. Nope. Going to lock ourselves in the upstairs master bedroom, armed to the teeth, flanked by our bigass dogs, call the cops... and wait. I'm not a member of SWAT so I won't try to act like them

    They'll just burn/smoke you out ....
     

    35Remington

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    35Remington, can you share the brand and model of your system? Every time I think I've found one, I run into a bunch of bad reviews (Amazon, Home Depot, and others). My neighbor across the street installed one himself from Sam's Club. He has wires tacked to the brick walls in some places, and ran cables through the wall on the side of his house, but his seems to work. He even has one camera pointed at my driveway. He gave me the logon to the system so I could check with my iPhone. I'm still considering it.

    The cameras are Foscam FI8910W. They get bad reviews from idiots who do not know how to use them, and great reviews from people like me who realize that for $80 you are buying an infrared camera that has two-way audio and PTZ.

    They do take some setup. It's not a plug and play system. There is tons of info on the web though. The cameras need power, but are otherwise wireless.

    I run two separate apps on my iPhone: FoscamPro and iCam. One allows for recording of images when motion is detected, and the other allows zooming, panning, two way audio, and presets. There is not one app that does everything that I am aware of. Each of these was about $5. Images are recorded to my home computer and instantly stored on Dropbox as backup.

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