Is it just me or, is .40 cal the top dog versus 9 or 45

[majormadmax]

This has potential...

https://www.springfield-armory.com/xdm-10mm-features

 

[TheMailMan]

I am wondering what type of loading the FBI used then for 10mm. Thanks for sharing

The original 10mm load was a 200 gr bullet at 1200 FPS from a 5" barrel. That loading was from Norma. The FBI did use some of those original Norma loads but issued a 175 gr Winchester Silvertip at 1275 FPS. I've fired both the original Norma load and the FBI load and they both have pretty stout reoil. There were a couple of problems with that FBI loading.

1. The affirmative action hires couldn't handle the recoil.
2. The bullet wasn't really designed to handle those velocities.

As a result of those two problems the wise heads at the FBI neutered the 10mm to the 100 year old ballistics of the .38-40.

Since almost every non-FBI LEO fancies themselves a junior FBI agent they started following the FBI in lockstep to the .40 Short and Weak. Same thing happened when the FBI went back to the well over 100 year old 9mm, LEO agencies across the country couldn't drop the .40 Short and Weak fast enough.

 

[TheMailMan]

This has potential...

https://www.springfield-armory.com/xdm-10mm-features

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If I can unload a gun to make room I might just have to buy one of those. I've always preferred the XD series over the Glock.

 

[TheDan]

This has potential...

https://www.springfield-armory.com/xdm-10mm-features

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Oh my!

 

[ZX9RCAM]

The original 10mm load was a 200 gr bullet at 1200 FPS from a 5" barrel. That loading was from Norma. The FBI did use some of those original Norma loads but issued a 175 gr Winchester Silvertip at 1275 FPS. I've fired both the original Norma load and the FBI load and they both have pretty stout reoil. There were a couple of problems with that FBI loading.

1. The affirmative action hires couldn't handle the recoil.
2. The bullet wasn't really designed to handle those velocities.

As a result of those two problems the wise heads at the FBI neutered the 10mm to the 100 year old ballistics of the .38-40.

Since almost every non-FBI LEO fancies themselves a junior FBI agent they started following the FBI in lockstep to the .40 Short and Weak. Same thing happened when the FBI went back to the well over 100 year old 9mm, LEO agencies across the country couldn't drop the .40 Short and Weak fast enough.

That's slower than Underwood 200 gr. which is what I thought the originals were loaded to...

https://www.underwoodammo.com/colle...p-jacketed-hollow-point?variant=7865916686393

 

[deemus]

As to 9mm, just remember Gabby Gifford’s was hit in the HEAD at point blank range with one and lived to be a vocal anti-gun critic.

Gabby prefers ARs.

 

[deemus]

When I shoot my Sig 229 40 loaded with Winchester Ranger ammo, it just seems like my balls are hanging just a little lower.

 

[deemus]

I consolidated all of my handguns except my 22s to 9mm.

I would expand my caliber collection. But I think I'm only missing 357 Mag in the more popular calibers.

Variety is the spice of life.

 

[TheMailMan]

That's slower than Underwood 200 gr. which is what I thought the originals were loaded to...

https://www.underwoodammo.com/colle...p-jacketed-hollow-point?variant=7865916686393

I have to wonder what barrel length Underwood is using?

Just do a Google and you'll see the original load was 200gr at 1200 fps. A power level that few reloading manuals today will even approach.

 

[CyberWolf]

Just do a Google and you'll see the original load was 200gr at 1200 fps. A power level that few reloading manuals today will even approach.

Haven't pushed this particular envelope yet, but a quick check seems to show Longshot, AA#9, and CFE coming in pretty close to that at max-listed..

 

[TreyG-20]

This has potential...

https://www.springfield-armory.com/xdm-10mm-features

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Me likey.

 

[TheMailMan]

They come pretty close.

Haven't pushed this particular envelope yet, but a quick check seems to show Longshot, AA#9, and CFE coming in pretty close to that at max-listed..

Power Pistol will do it as will Blue Dot.

If I can sell a gun or two I'll have to pick up that new XD(M) 5.25 to play with. Right now all my 10mm handguns are 1911s. I've always said that if SA delivers a poly framed 10mm I would buy it. I've also looked at the EAA Witness P Match as a possible poly 10mm.

If I go the SA route I'll wait till the OSP version comes out. Since I got my Canik TP9SFx I'm really liking red dots on pistols. I've had Ruger MK pistols with red dots on them for ages. But I'm liking the centerfire with a red dot more and more.

 

[tomballpa]

Sometimes I wonder if I should get a .40 hand gun. Your thoughts?

Get one if you want a deal. We sell probably 50 9mm's to every 40S&W. The caliber has just lost favor int he marketplace.

 

[rman]

. 45 kills the soul

Sent from my SIG Sauer

 

[Darqhelmet]

I have a CZ 75B in 40 and its a great pistol. 40 shoots "flatter" if you need to reach out with a pistol, though reaching out with a pistol is not a good idea in my mind. It also has higher energy compared to either 9mm or 45acp. (I carry a 9mm)

 

[Kingarthur777]

9mm, .40, .45ACP, 10mm, .357 Those are my handgun calibers.

 

[Kingarthur777]

I am a sucker for a stainless slide, two HKC .45's and one HK USP .40, and a nitron boron covered slide on my G-21 C

 

[Kar98]

I am a sucker for a stainless slide, two HKC .45's and one HK USP .40, and a nitron boron covered slide on my G-21 C

Here ya go:

 

[Kingarthur777]

Here ya go:

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She is pretty. All my revolvers are stainless too. My G-40 has a stainless slide with the TIN 9 (Gold) looking barrel.

 

[leVieux]

It's just you.

AMEN, VAQUERO !

leVieux