I will counter with sometimes they should act like social workers, and not stormtroopers, or SWAT on every call they go on.
There is a time and place for all forms of police presence and the methods they use to enforce the laws, and to do their jobs. There is a time to use finesse, and compassion in the job of interacting within the community and it's residents, just as there is a time when brute force is the right decision to make. They need to understand that they represent the community, and enforce the laws of our society. They work for us, not the other way around.
Personally, I think some of the problem lies in lack of PROPER training, and officers being hired who are not qualified for the job of being in LE to begin with.
Defunding, or dismantling the police departments isn't the answer, but going forth with no reform of those departments isn't the answer either. There needs to be a balance between officers acting like social workers amd being police officers.
Maybe if Chauvin and taken a breath that day, and acted differently, George Fl;oyd might still be alive, and Derek Chauvin might not be sitting in jail charged with murder at this time.
Actually, policemen in the 70's were policemen and social workers, but there was more respect for them in those days. Everything was not cut and dried the policeman used his noodle.I think it might be too much to ask of a person to be both a social worker and a policeman. We certainly wouldn't ask our heart surgeons to also engineer the software in our computers.
I think we can all agree that police need to tend towards the soldier end of the spectrum if they're going to go home at night to their families after a day of facing down murderers, rapists, crackheads and bank robbers with FA weapons.
More importantly, there is probably also something to be said of having to deal with the scum of society every day (with violence if necessary), getting spit on by scumbags, getting attacked by drunks & crackheads, screamed at every time you pull someone over for a simple traffic stop, shot at just for wearing the uniform. It's going to change the way you look at your fellow man, and that changed outlook is probably not compatible with the outlook we want from our social workers.
I certainly don't have the answers, but I don't know if it's as simple as some "be nicer to people" training. The complexities of dealing with some unknown person on the street, who might have a past criminal history involving, say, armed home invasion, and might love to kill a cop to earn street cred, should not be swept under the rug (not saying you are, just saying that "the national conversation" seems to be).
Also, on the other side, I don't think a bit of training can fix the kind of deep character defect that Derek Chauvin obviously has. Maybe instead of defunding the police what we need to do is spend more, and evaluate them more thoroughly more often, give them more leave and shorter careers, more time behind a desk and away from the "mean streets", etc, etc, etc, to keep them from becoming hardened by the scum they're forced to deal with all too often.
These tarded politicians should be wondering who will protect them from us when the cops are gone?
Actually, policemen in the 70's were policemen and social workers, but there was more respect for them in those days. Everything was not cut and dried the policeman used his noodle.
These tarded politicians should be wondering who will protect them from us when the cops are gone?
Actually, policemen in the 70's were policemen and social workers, but there was more respect for them in those days. Everything was not cut and dried the policeman used his noodle.
If you were trying to control a mob throwing brick, rocks, and whatever else they could find you would appreciate a little steel over your pointy head.
Agreed. Police militarization makes perfect sense if you expect them to go into crack houses and face down a mob of drug dealers with FA weapons. Funny how nobody is concerned with the lives of police officers and their spouses and children. Remember the North Hollywood shootout? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout Maybe most on this board are too young, but lunatics like that are why the movement to properly arm the police got the political will needed.
If you're happy sending in social workers to apologize to the drug dealers / bank robbers / murderers / rapists and offer them a hug, then I guess you would believe the police don't need any special equipment. But I'd like to ask anyone who is happy sending in those social workers -- what is your plan when those social workers start dying in droves, and you get sued by their families for millions of dollars?
Can you show me where cops are encountering criminals with full auto weapons?
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Can you show me where cops are encountering criminals with full auto weapons?
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Can you show me where cops are encountering criminals with full auto weapons?
Should Police be de-funded / dismantled?
Absolutely Not!
When I was a teenager in Chicago, I had a bumper sticker that said: "Do you hate cops? Next time you have trouble, call a HIPPIE!"
That says it all for me!
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