Ukraine invasion

[seeker_two]

The USA is basically cleaning out their military closet and donating the old stuff to "charity". The real cost is to replace all the old stuff with the new hotness which will cost twelve times as much and not accomplish the same mission as well....

....and the NATO countries are counting on us to replace their old, donated stuff with new hotness that US taxpayers end up paying for.....

 

[Havok1]

Matthew Miller told the media twice yesterday that this war has been a strategic failure for ukraine. They attempted to “correct” him after the first time, but he just repeated it again. I’m sure there’s no chance he was saying what he/ the state department really thought though.

 

[popper]

europe is providing a lot of aid to ukraine -- well used US stuff for the most part!

 

[angel71rs]

Our military industrial complex issues are a discussion for another place, but here are some military aid numbers.

We are giving out of abundance, others are giving out of poverty...

One of the things that most touched me while in Ukraine was their generosity despite being what we would consider poor in the USA. It was humbling and when I see nations that are giving nearly 60% of their military budget to help it is both embarrassing and humbling to live in such a wealthy nation who can help so much while it does not effect our ability to any significant amount.

Oh, and France can choke on a big one. Lots of talk and no action. You can see why Trump was pushing our European friends in NATO to pull their share, their budgets can be trim because big daddy USA carries a big stick...

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"Leadership" of France should be ashamed, but of course they aren't capable of that. The Germans were sucking putler's dick too, but at least now they see what a danger he is to Europe, not just Ukraine. Not surprising since they produced the guy that showed the world this movie before, glad they are trying to help achieve a different ending this time around.

 

[leVieux]

Our military industrial complex issues are a discussion for another place, but here are some military aid numbers.

We are giving out of abundance, others are giving out of poverty...

One of the things that most touched me while in Ukraine was their generosity despite being what we would consider poor in the USA. It was humbling and when I see nations that are giving nearly 60% of their military budget to help it is both embarrassing and humbling to live in such a wealthy nation who can help so much while it does not effect our ability to any significant amount.

Oh, and France can choke on a big one. Lots of talk and no action. You can see why Trump was pushing our European friends in NATO to pull their share, their budgets can be trim because big daddy USA carries a big stick...

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? Just Xi depleting US assets & reserves b/f China attacks us here @ home ?

 

[cycleguy2300]

Matthew Miller told the media twice yesterday that this war has been a strategic failure for ukraine. They attempted to “correct” him after the first time, but he just repeated it again. I’m sure there’s no chance he was saying what he/ the state department really thought though.

I whole heartedly agree. Ukriane routing the "other" world power outside of Kyiv, preventing the capture of Kharkiv only a few miles from the russian border, and now slowly pushing the russian military out is a huge stratigic failure.
*end sarcasim*

This war should have been over within a fortnight. The stratigic and tactical failures have nearly all been russian. The largest city captured by the russians was russian (Rostov-on-Don) and the russians were the third best military in Ukraine until Wagner left.



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[cycleguy2300]

? Just Xi depleting US assets & reserves b/f China attacks us here @ home ?

China doesn't have the maritime ability to physically invade Taiwan much less the US, however that doesnt not mean they are any less of an enemy.

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[popper]

China doesn't have the maritime ability to physically invade Taiwan
Actually they have been making lots of their version of LSTs recently.

 

[angel71rs]

Missiles hit a hotel wiping out dozens of ruzzians. Reportedly the general that oversaw missile strikes on Ukraine was among the kills. If so, looks like this is a case of payback is a bitch:

Berdiansk hotel that housed Russian occupation authorities and an industrial facility hit in a missile strike

The Berdiansk City Military Administration reported about a strike on the Duna hotel, where the military command of the occupiers was lodged, and the Pivdenhydromash plant. Source: press service of the Berdiansk City Military Administration, Vladimir Rogov, a collaborator and a representative of...

news.yahoo.com

 

[wiredgeorge]

One thing that confuses me is that since Sweden just joined NATO, Zelinski has been yelling to get into NATO as well. It appears that king potato-head is slow walking Ukraine by putting up a bunch of criteria such as stamping out corruption in the country. This doesn't smell right to me as many of the NATO countries are bastions of corruption to varying degrees. If Ukraine got in NATO tomorrow wouldn't we be obliged to send in US troops to fight off the reds and send them back to the motherland? Wouldn't this set off nukes as the reds have been sabre-rattling that they would use nukes in the event Ukraine joined NATO?

 

[BigRed]

If Ukraine got in NATO tomorrow wouldn't we be obliged to send in US troops to fight off the reds and send them back to the motherland?

Yep.
This Zelensky clown can go pound sand.

 

[General Zod]

One thing that confuses me is that since Sweden just joined NATO, Zelinski has been yelling to get into NATO as well. It appears that king potato-head is slow walking Ukraine by putting up a bunch of criteria such as stamping out corruption in the country. This doesn't smell right to me as many of the NATO countries are bastions of corruption to varying degrees. If Ukraine got in NATO tomorrow wouldn't we be obliged to send in US troops to fight off the reds and send them back to the motherland? Wouldn't this set off nukes as the reds have been sabre-rattling that they would use nukes in the event Ukraine joined NATO?

NATO's charter says a country can't join while it's at war. Ukraine being inducted into NATO while they're fighting is a pipe dream - it would automatically and immediately invoke Article 5 and plunge Europe and the US into war with Russia.

That nobody in the Biden administration can articulate this simple fact is telling.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

And yet their all the smartest one in the room .

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[studenygreg]

I find it hilarious that Zelensky/Ukraine are demanding they be allowed to join Nato. Phucking losers cant even support/defend themselves. They are in no position to demand anything. The douchebaggery continues.

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[cycleguy2300]

I find it hilarious that Zelensky/Ukraine are demanding they be allowed to join Nato. Fucking lovers can even support/defend themselves. They are in no position to demand anything. The douchebaggery continues.

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How does not being capable of defending yourself alter your worth/value?

We coerced them into giving up their nukes, agreeing to defend them if they were attacked...

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[cycleguy2300]

I've not seen anything to suggest Ukraines numbers are grossly inaccurate, but even if russian losses are only half of what Ukraine reports, russian is suffering extreme losses.

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[cycleguy2300]

Igor Girkin (FSB who was a leader in the illegal 2014 annexation of Crimea) thinks Prigozhin's coup worked and shifted the balance of power and that there will be additional efforts to disrupt the war effort.

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[oldag]

One thing that confuses me is that since Sweden just joined NATO, Zelinski has been yelling to get into NATO as well. It appears that king potato-head is slow walking Ukraine by putting up a bunch of criteria such as stamping out corruption in the country. This doesn't smell right to me as many of the NATO countries are bastions of corruption to varying degrees. If Ukraine got in NATO tomorrow wouldn't we be obliged to send in US troops to fight off the reds and send them back to the motherland? Wouldn't this set off nukes as the reds have been sabre-rattling that they would use nukes in the event Ukraine joined NATO?

Corruption - you mean like the U.S.?

I have not read a definitive verdict on whether or not the U.S. would be obliged to send troops.

Russia is not going to use nukes. Period.

 

[Havok1]

Looks like Gaetz addition of an inspector general to the NDAA was met with some opposition. I wonder what they are worried about…

 

[Armybrat]

The Russians are getting their asses kicked and their military has been exposed as a paper tiger joke.
Props to the Ukes who have made fools out of the commie/fascist supporters.
Steven Seagal is a traitor to decency And should be stripped of his US citizenship.
Nobody is going to buy their crappy weapons that are getting obliterated by surplus 1990 western technology.
Putin’s stupid move to invade Ukraine is the worst blunder since Hitler invaded the Soviet Union.
What a master strategist!