Ukraine invasion

[Havok1]

Adding countries to NATO that are of no value to us is a liability, and one that may very well contribute to the recruiting issues our military faces.

 

[glenbo]

"Steven Seagal is a traitor to decency And should be stripped of his US citizenship."

I've not kept up deeply with what is going on in Ukraine, and certainly am not a fan of seagal. Can you explain what you mean?

 

[candcallen]

Adding countries to NATO that are of no value to us is a liability, and one that may very well contribute to the recruiting issues our military faces.

So you just reach into your ass and pull out an excuse that has no basis in reality when there are actual reasons not to admit them or admit them now?

Nice. I'm sure every teen to 20 something who is considering joining the military is considering Ukraine joining nato as a point of emphasis in their decision.

 

[Armybrat]

Adding countries to NATO that are of no value to us is a liability, and one that may very well contribute to the recruiting issues our military faces.

Total hogwash.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

"Steven Seagal is a traitor to decency And should be stripped of his US citizenship."

I've not kept up deeply with what is going on in Ukraine, and certainly am not a fan of seagal. Can you explain what you mean?

I believe that he lives in or has spent a fair amount of time in Moscow?

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[Armybrat]

"Steven Seagal is a traitor to decency And should be stripped of his US citizenship."

I've not kept up deeply with what is going on in Ukraine, and certainly am not a fan of seagal. Can you explain what you mean?

He fellates Putin more than Kackles Harris did Willie Brown.

 

[Armybrat]

China doesn't have the maritime ability to physically invade Taiwan
Actually they have been making lots of their version of LSTs recently.

More targets for the Taiwan military.
It would be a bloodbath, but the Chicoms would probably prevail in the end because of sheer numbers even though the Nationalist Chinese in Taiwan have been preparing to defend the island for 70+ years with our help.
Saw it first hand when I lived in Taipei during the late 1950s.

 

[Brains]

China doesn't have the maritime ability to physically invade Taiwan
Actually they have been making lots of their version of LSTs recently.

.. and then you see articles like this:
Navy intel slide warns of China's 200x greater shipbuilding capacity

 

[angel71rs]

ruzzian sub commander that launched missiles at Vinnystia killing civilians, including 3 children, has been "liquidated" while jogging. More payback

Dumbass might have been tracked thru fitness app.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66162502

 

[Havok1]

Total hogwash.

Not at all.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

Oh lordy

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[leVieux]

Adding countries to NATO that are of no value to us is a liability, and one that may very well contribute to the recruiting issues our military faces.

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[candcallen]

Let's see what bull shit havok 1 creates out of thin air today.

Oh ya the military is having trouble with recruitment goals cause 17 year Olds all over America aren't joining cause Ukraine may join nato at some point in the future.

Seems legit. I'm sure it part of the equation in some gamer fantasy Sim world he created but not in real life.

 

[Havok1]

So for those in this thread who do not know, NATO countries are supposed to spend 2% of GDP on defense. Over 2/3 of NATO members are not meeting that requirement, and Sweden is not meeting it either. I’d be surprised if any of the NATO lovers here could name all of the countries or point to them on a map, or explain in a way that sounds reasonable why we should owe it to them to commit our money and military to the defense of nations that don’t take their own defense seriously. Trump got a lot of pushback when he started calling out NATO countries for not pulling their weight. I know everyone went to school and learned about how great NATO was, but over the years it has become the defense equivalent of welfare.

 

[candcallen]

So for those in this thread who do not know, NATO countries are supposed to spend 2% of GDP on defense. Over 2/3 of NATO members are not meeting that requirement, and Sweden is not meeting it either. I’d be surprised if any of the NATO lovers here could name all of the countries or point to them on a map, or explain in a way that sounds reasonable why we should owe it to them to commit our money and military to the defense of nations that don’t take their own defense seriously. Trump got a lot of pushback when he started calling out NATO countries for not pulling their weight. I know everyone went to school and learned about how great NATO was, but over the years it has become the defense equivalent of welfare.

The point of this strawman and what it has to do with Ukraine?

 

[studenygreg]

How does it benefit NATO to admit Ukraine? I understand how it benefits Ukraine.

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[cycleguy2300]

How does it benefit NATO to admit Ukraine? I understand how it benefits Ukraine.

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Its a mutual defense agreement. The group never gains as much as the new member.

With many other members, Ukraine will benefit from having multiple nations promising to help defend Ukraine while NATO gains only one more nation promising to assist.

I have a feeling your question was rhetorical, but it is still easy to pick apart.

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[Armybrat]

So for those in this thread who do not know, NATO countries are supposed to spend 2% of GDP on defense. Over 2/3 of NATO members are not meeting that requirement, and Sweden is not meeting it either. I’d be surprised if any of the NATO lovers here could name all of the countries or point to them on a map, or explain in a way that sounds reasonable why we should owe it to them to commit our money and military to the defense of nations that don’t take their own defense seriously. Trump got a lot of pushback when he started calling out NATO countries for not pulling their weight. I know everyone went to school and learned about how great NATO was, but over the years it has become the defense equivalent of welfare.

Of course you are aware that some of the NATO countries are ramping up their defense budgets as a result of this current Russian aggression?
Trump’s tantrum didn’t inspire them to move, but reality has hitthe lazy in the face since Feb. 24th of last year:

NATO chief eyes bigger defense budgets, hard spending target amid war in Ukraine

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg is urging the 30 member countries to commit to spending at least 2 percent of their gross domestic product on their defense budgets by a set date.

www.pbs.org

 

[studenygreg]

Its a mutual defense agreement. The group never gains as much as the new member.

With many other members, Ukraine will benefit from having multiple nations promising to help defend Ukraine while NATO gains only one more nation promising to assist.

I have a feeling your question was rhetorical, but it is still easy to pick apart.

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Not rhetorical. I understand how they benefit. I am genuinely interested in what Ukraine has to offer. This directly affects people's openess to accepting them. At least it does to me. I'm not big on th emotional aspect of it being a feel good story.

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[oldag]

Not rhetorical. I understand how they benefit. I am genuinely interested in what Ukraine has to offer. This directly affects people's openess to accepting them. At least it does to me. I'm not big on th emotional aspect of it being a feel good story.

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The way they are fighting, I would not mind having them on my side if it hits the fan.