Your solution to “mass shootings?”

[easy rider]

Or the movie Idiocracy.

Yeah, I had thought that would be the last movie where life imitates art, but we're almost there in that case.

 

[SQLGeek]

Or the movie Idiocracy.

That’s just a documentary at this point.

 

[easy rider]

That’s just a documentary at this point.

'At this point' I would vote for a president Camacho over a President Biden.

 

[popsgarland]

There are a hell of a lot of opinions on what should have been done that would have prevented this horrible shooting.

A lot of what has been opined will never be done and a lot of people are saying the same thing only with different terminology IE words.

This shooter said and posted several things that raised a red flag but no one said much and nothing was done to eliminate the threat.

two things would have stopped or slowed down this senseless killing.

1) If you see (or hear) something, say something
Tell the authorities what you saw or heard.

2) Lock the fucking doors.
IMO I think the person who left the door blocked open should be charges will accessory to murder.

 

[Darkpriest667]

Yep. I feel like we’re living in the before times of the novel Starship Troopers.

Would you like to know more?

 

[majormadmax]

Yeah, and the Israeli government isn't the U.S. government, and they won't ever be the same. We have a separation of church and state, so ideologies in government will be different.

Israel has to deal with terrorism and civil unrest on a daily basis in a far smaller area than the U.S. Certainly I can understand Israel's reasons for their security measures, but is that really how it should be here?

Would you rather see another nineteen students and two teachers killed? More gun control? Other useless measures?

Their security methods work, and would work better here than "gun free zone" signs and cheap locks!

 

[majormadmax]

2) Lock the fucking doors.
IMO I think the person who left the door blocked open should be charges will accessory to murder.

When have locks ever stopped criminals?

 

[Axxe55]

When have locks ever stopped criminals?

They seemed to have kept out LE from entering the school room.

 

[easy rider]

Would you rather see another nineteen students and two teachers killed? More gun control? Other useless measures?

Their security methods work, and would work better here than "gun free zone" signs and cheap locks!

No more than I want to see another 3,000+ people killed by airplanes, but that doesn't mean I'm in favor of the Patriot Act.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Would you rather see another nineteen students and two teachers killed? More gun control? Other useless measures?

Their security methods work, and would work better here than "gun free zone" signs and cheap locks!

Freedom and security aren’t compatible. I’ll pass on Israeli style freedom.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Would you rather see another nineteen students and two teachers killed? More gun control? Other useless measures?

Their security methods work, and would work better here than "gun free zone" signs and cheap locks!

Freedom and security aren’t compatible. I’ll pass on Israeli style freedom.

ETA: both exist on a continuum; I’m not willing to let fear control freedom.

 

[easy rider]

I don't keep that signature at the bottom of my posts by Benjamin Franklin because I think it's cool, I truly believe that.

 

[Axxe55]

I don't keep that signature at the bottom of my posts by Benjamin Franklin because I think it's cool, I truly believe that.

The price we would pay is too high for something that doesn't and will not ever exist.

 

[majormadmax]

Freedom and security aren’t compatible. I’ll pass on Israeli style freedom.

Yet people argue we need to tighten our borders. What's the difference?

 

[majormadmax]

It's amazing some advocate using such security to protect our sovereign nation, our Federal facilities and installations, other important institutions (banks, etc.) and even our own homes and property; but when it comes to protecting our most precious asset--our children--suddenly it's "too much?!?"

 

[toddnjoyce]

Yet people argue we need to tighten our borders. What's the difference?

Don’t know why other people argue things and I’m not going to try to understand them or make an argument for them.

If you want to believe it, mere policy changes by Trump resulted in huge drops in illegal immigration. Meanwhile, HUMANS chose to ignore policies to keep exterior doors closed. Those HUMANS also chose to ignore their own security policies and just about every common sense thing we know about how to counter an active shooter.

And as you and the Israelis well know, you can harden targets as much as you want but that does nothing to prevent an attack and given enough determination, does nothing to mitigate an attack either.

I respect your right to your position, but I don’t agree with it.

ETA, we could stop drunk driving by summarily executing people that try to get into their car after having a drink or too, but that’s just as idotic a concept in my mind even though drunk drivers kill more people than kids who get killed in a school shooting.

 

[Lonesome Dove]

Just call 911.

 

[jrbfishn]

Don’t know why other people argue things and I’m not going to try to understand them or make an argument for them.

If you want to believe it, mere policy changes by Trump resulted in huge drops in illegal immigration. Meanwhile, HUMANS chose to ignore policies to keep exterior doors closed. Those HUMANS also chose to ignore their own security policies and just about every common sense thing we know about how to counter an active shooter.

And as you and the Israelis well know, you can harden targets as much as you want but that does nothing to prevent an attack and given enough determination, does nothing to mitigate an attack either.

I respect your right to your position, but I don’t agree with it.

ETA, we could stop drunk driving by summarily executing people that try to get into their car after having a drink or too, but that’s just as idotic a concept in my mind even though drunk drivers kill more people than kids who get killed in a school shooting.

So,,,,I'm confused here. Are you saying we should do nothing because it won't do any good??? Or just not like Israelis did. Just trying to unferstand.
Policy changes have had no effect. And won't.
Schools can be hardened to minimize the problem without turning them into armed encampments. Can we stop the most determined? No. Absolutely not. But when faced with hard obsticals, especially bullets flying at them, most people lose a lot of determination really fast. They want to hurt others, not be hurt themselves.
The first step, end Zero Tolerance. It has gone nothing but empower bullies and turn a population into sheep.
Idiots that think those in authority can and will protect them. THEY CAN'T AND WON'T. Period.

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[toddnjoyce]

… Are you saying we should do nothing because it won't do any good??? …

Expectation management. I’m saying people use the word harden and 1) don’t know what it means in practice, and 2) based on 36 months as a DOD rep to USSS Special Operations Division for POTUS protection, the most effective ‘hardening’ is keeping doors locked.

That just moves the X to choke points…entry/egree and bus stops. Can’t really harden that stuff except blow the perimeters out to create distance. If you want to control for the lazy human, then the perimeter fences need to be electric and minefields placed. Even those measures can be overcome with a little ingenuity, so overwatch and long range precision engagement needs to be considered. And let’s talk about ROE and parental rights in a contested divorce.

ETA: Let’s not get into how you provide the same protection for all the schools in America.

 

[Ingramite]

Arm the kids. That'll bring this to a grinding halt.